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Post by Gandhi on Jun 13, 2013 16:11:34 GMT -5
My brother just wanted to troll me by posting that because I had just gotten back from a days work at a friend's farm place. I was bitching about it all morning because I was pissed off. So he posted that. I deleted it and now it's time for me to remember to log out of my accounts before leaving my computer sit
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Post by Varangian on Jun 13, 2013 16:13:59 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't get it.
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Post by Gandhi on Jun 13, 2013 16:17:21 GMT -5
Now that I can make a real post on this, I would like to start out by saying that I am atheist. But it's not necessarily like one day I decided to be an atheist, it's more like how my mind works. I like to think of things scientifically and use deductive reasoning and religion just doesn't seem to fit that mindset very well. Come to think of it, it's a little bit like being Homosexual; It's not something you choose but it's more of how your mind works. Hopefully you can excuse my brother's possibly offensive remark.
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Post by Gandhi on Jun 13, 2013 16:27:33 GMT -5
@ottiger Reincarnation is all fine and dandy, except that where do all the extra souls come from? Does God have a soul bank and a soul print? Also all men were not always created equal. Slavery existed, and apparently God forgot about it... Later it has of course been amended. My personal opinion is that a group of people sat down together and created religion as a way to control primitive people. And we're just barely out of the jungle on this planet. Note, not calling every religious guy primitive, but anyone who blindly follows what is said by God and his henchmen is indeed very primitive. Critical thinking is always needed to avoid mistakes. (By the way, critical thinking is the exact thing that leads you to atheism.) I would agree with you on mostly everything however I don't like how you stated that "a group of people sat down together and created religion as a way to control primitive people." This isn't a huge deal to me but it's like saying that a bunch of people came together and invented language. Quite obviously that's not how it happened, it evolved as a way for us to communicate and it's as complex as it is because of how intelligent we are. We are arguably the only creatures that we know of that speak a complex language. We can assume this because of our proportion of brain size to body size, this is what determines intelligence. We have the best ratio and therefore are the most intelligent. Same thing with religion, it's hard to say that it "evolved" but it's probably the best way to describe it. It "evolved" as a way for us to be able to say why something works how it does. But I'm rambling at this point
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Post by Otttiger on Jun 13, 2013 16:56:01 GMT -5
I dissagree. I see reincarnation as a second chance. Yes slavery existed but the men were still equal. they were just under control by fear. They would be severly beaten or even killed if they tried to escape; they were prisoners. and that was slightly hypocritical when saying "Note, not calling every religious guy primitive, but anyone who blindly follows what is said by God and his henchmen is indeed very primitive." same as walking up to someone and saying they aren't stupid then saying how stupid they were. Critical thinking is fine and i agree with it but i disagree with the way you used it. Religion is a purpose, a motive. It gets rid of Barbarism(being primitive)because kindness, humbleness, peace, are those not the traits of a civilized man?
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Post by Otttiger on Jun 13, 2013 17:04:32 GMT -5
I was getting stuck on your reincarnation statement varangian. the definition of Reincarnation is "the soul upon death of body comes back to earth in another body or form. and gandhi, i try to be a scientific person myself i use God in the equations because it answers so much. so many theorys that are considered fact such as the big bang theory. everything is so fucking complex and almost perfect that it doesn't make sense for such randomness to have made it. it would be like deciding to grab everything in your kitchen and deciding to put it in a pot and saying that it will be the best ever. you are gonna have different proportions and it is probably gonna taste like shit.
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Post by Varangian on Jun 14, 2013 0:31:29 GMT -5
If you think like that, you really just don't understand science or the universe. There are so many inconsistencies with religion that science just about disproves the existence of God. By the way, more people have died in the name of God than due to any other cause. And you're telling me religion is not barbaric? It's riddled with bullshit like this. And you didn't answer to the obvious question: if reincarnation happens, where do all the extra souls come from? Gandhi, Comparing religion to language is rather silly. Language, as you said, evolved as a means to communicate. Religion came to be as something completely else. The ten commandments, for example, are illogical and could actually be cut down to two commandments without getting rid of the christian values. 1: Thou shalt always be honest and faithful 2: Thou shalt try not to kill anyone And don't get me started on death. Religion has really never had a problem with killing, it just depends on who's dying and who's doing the killing. Take a look at the crusades, inquisition, abortion doctor killings, even the 9/11. Truth is, the ten commandments were purposefully inflated to sell better. A marketing decision made by a few important people who knew people were primitive and would believe whatever they told them. Coming back to ottiger, divine planning is also rather silly. If it indeed was divine planning, why did God make nature so complicated? Everything consists of billions of carbon atoms that form patterns. Why didn't God, if he really wanted to plan everything properly, create man without all the need for these silly atoms? Why didn't he create some things that logic would point towards his existence? Let me tell you why. BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOD. By the way, whenever you hear the sentence: "God is testing our faith in Him", you know someone's pulling your prick and trying to control you. Having faith in God means having faith in his henchmen, in other words doing blindly what they're saying you should do. That's the basis of control. That's how they control the masses via religion. God apparently made some sloppy work that week. We've had to fix a lot of what he fucked up. Or, hey, maybe he never was there to begin with and the human race is a hopeless species that's just circling down the drain faster and faster.
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Post by Kelt on Jun 14, 2013 5:21:59 GMT -5
OK everyone Im sorry I offended whoever I offended... I don't want to do that I just wanted to state my points and my thoughts. And even though most of you are atheist, I will not change my thoughts, acts towards you as you guys are still awesome
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Post by Kelt on Jun 14, 2013 5:23:58 GMT -5
I don't believe either of them still practice either of those. I don't know enough about modern Orthodox that I have no idea about them, but they are close to Catholic, so I thought they may use indulgences.
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Post by Kelt on Jun 14, 2013 5:26:42 GMT -5
i am a Catholic. I'm not the most pious person out here believe me, but i think that most Catholics and other Christian groups believe in God not just because we are afraid of hell but because most of us want to make a difference. The new testament is what separates us from a lot of other religions because we are supposed to be kind, helpful, and forgiving. I personally believe in God because i would like to believe that there is a God who watches and protects the innocent and that does punnish sick bastards like rapists and child molesters. The new testament is also where we can ask for forgiveness, William. That is what makes it so that we don't have to go to hell. There is no one who hasn't sinned at least once in their life; its in human nature. We ask forgiveness from God and we believe that he will forgive us. A lot of people are scared of what will come after death, i think almost everyone is. I take comfort in the fact that their is an afterlife and that everything i have accomplished in this life will not just be "a blip on the radar". I am different from many Catholics though because i believe in many of the old Testament, so in a way, like a Jew.(lol) I also believe in reincarnation, which is frowned upon. Reincarnation makes a lot of sense when you think about it, and i have seen some damn wierd things in my short 15 years to make me believe in it. Sorry for that long slightly out of balance shpeel but i wanted to make my point across. I don't care a lot who is athiest or not, i will pray for them all the same. Because (not bible) All men are Created Equal. I like you, you make some good statements, I would like to talk to you personally sometime
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Post by Kelt on Jun 14, 2013 5:36:29 GMT -5
oh and there is too much stuff I want to say I don't feel like typing xD
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